i'd like to remind everyone that after my first *ahem* discussion on this list, i got into the "newbies aren't as good as oldtimers" argument with many members, and *gasp* most of them are my friends now... guess that makes me a full card-carrying member of the clique, eh???

and for the record for those that are keeping score at home, i was fighting on the side of the newbies ;-)