well, i missed a lot of the initial messages, so i can't be too sure if/where it may have crossed the line...what i did read was for the most part civil...but i usually have a feel for where some of these threads are headed...so that's why i threw in my two cents...it was aimed at no one in particular, and all of us in general...newbies and oldsters alike...a quite popular reminder during some particularly hairy episodes of the past, was that we all need to remember why we are here on this list...and then i would tell everyone to go and listen to "one"...LOL!