Hi Jackson

thanks for your explaination on the limit of lines, this time no trilogy then..

so, you're only 15! (this exclamation mark was necessary, believe me)

I guess I seem like a dinosaur to you? ;-) Hey guys, how old are y'all btw? Am I the eldest (I'm 19) around here or what? :(

so, let's get back to the subject: I think it's rather sad to think that there is no meaning to life, but then again you can see it the completely different way: knowing that there is no universal meaning to life you can create your own personal meaning to it and who knows maybe this is the actual meaning to our lives: "to take our lives and hold them by the hand" (a bit changed Creed quote from WAWO) and make them meaningfull (?) This way you won't be forced by some higher institution to accept its meaning-of-life concept but you will be "master of your fate and captain of your soul" (now where have I heard that before?? hehe.. that's a quote, but unfortunately I don't know by whom, I just know it's by someone from this list, either you, Jackson or Jim or.. ?)

And this is a very essential point I've got here because to many people being religious and hence following certain rules and having the meaning of life "forced upon" excludes being creative, individual and self-centered (to a positive degree) - and this is just NOT the case. This is a distorted view of religion which many people (even those who call themselves religious) spread around and to me, religion is just a deep experiencing of one's true self. Because we are in a way all Gods to ourselves because there is God in us. (This is an extreme statement but if you get my point you'll understand it.) And this is what differentiates us from animals - not just the more complex insight (but the insight, too, of course). This is my personal opinion.

To answer to your very eloquent statement:

such a thing as a meaning can not be seen, heard, smelt, tasted, or felt primvm dvm, ergo one is searching for that which can not be found primvm dvm

I thought you believed in the transcendental = not based on experience; innate in the mind, intuitively accepted (do you?)

Well, I do. I believe there's more to reality than our senses can perceive. And what about intuition etc. - isn't this something like a sixth sense?

To quote the olden lay,(who is this guy anyway?) "...nothing is forever, not life, not love, not death, or loss. Only change is eternal, and only destruction can the seed of creation form...for only in acceptance of mortality will you learn the secrets of immortality...".

yeah, that's so true a quote! I'll have to write it down in my quote book. I agree with it totally esp. the last part of it!

Id est vocare, 'tis the very realization of the finitude and lack of verifiable "meaning" in our lives that prompts us to live forever in an other sense, - that's more like it! to make our mark in this world, not in a hypothetical afterlife. and this last bit is also true.. - I see, we don't disagree completely

see, sometimes people who argue mean the same thing without even knowing it (and I am NOT implying that this is the case here.. hehe.. but who knows, right?) They just have other definitions of things and they move in parallel universes (sorta) so that they can't ever meet - that's the idea I have, at least

what is "real?" - yeah, that's a good philosophical question... and it proves to me (in a way) that you are into transcendentalism because otherwise you wouldn't have asked this question now, would you? Now refer to this theory of yours: such a thing as a meaning can not be seen, heard, smelt, tasted, or felt primvm dvm, ergo one is searching for that which can not be found primvm dvm and what do you make of it now? I mean if you assume that real is only what you can see, hear, smell, taste and feel than there's no need to ask for what's real anymore, is it?

to be continued.. (it got rejected and I had to copy it and divide it in two parts.. so even though it's no trilogy it's a ... duality? could it be?)